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Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  swansont

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11/2/2008 5:25:00 AM

And the intended uses of these "tents"? Permanent storage? Public storage/access? Carports? Garages? RV storage?

If they are going to be semi-permanent, yes we would require a permit(our planning/zoning dept would), then they would have to meet setback reqs, and yes, loading requirements, as well as I would want to see the specs for anchorage.

What''s your role in this? Costco tent sales?

First itme you get a snow, or wind storm, and one of these go down on someones BMW, folks will be asking how come a permit wasn''t required. (even though they didn''t ask to begin with)

EDIT: I see now by your profile, you are an architect......is this really that big of an issue? And as an architect, don''t you think a structure that can''t withstand applied loads in not fundametally safe, regardless of the intended use?


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  Uncle Bob

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11/2/2008 7:18:00 AM

Costco is like Sam''s; they are an outlet not a manufacturer.

Uncle Bob


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  Kilitact

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11/2/2008 8:35:00 AM

In Oregon; Framed-covered nonhabitable accessory buildings, not more than 500 sq. ft. and not more than one story in height and not closer than 3 feet to the property line, where the structure is composed of a ridge framework that supports a fabric membrane are exempted from requiring a building permit. Planning would neet to look at it.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  GPreece

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11/2/2008 2:53:00 PM

Very interesting. I have not run across any of these, but would imagine if they fell under the guidelines to permit I would require it. I am sure our zoning people would not like these either. While looking for a picture if these I found quite a few on craigslist, so I am sure it is just a matter of time. But, like fatboy said...no one will call until after they collapse.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  Coug Dad

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11/3/2008 4:13:00 AM

These 10x20 foot tents are classified in Section 3102 as a membrane structure. If the membrane structure is used for less than 180 days, the fire code applies, not the building code. Fire Code Section 2403.2 applies only if the tent has an area of more than 200 square feet. 10x20 tent used for less than 180 days is not regulated in the codes unless there are local amendments. A 10 x 20 foot tent (membrane structure) used for more than 180 days must comply with the provisions of IBC Section 3102, which includes structural provisions. Not sure how one would enforce the 180 day rule.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  permitguy

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11/3/2008 6:16:00 AM

I think Coug Dad nailed it. I would only add that if they leave at least 75% of the sidewalls off, it is a canopy and the size could increase to as much as 700 sq. ft. before the fire code would regulate it.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  Frank Castelvecchi

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11/3/2008 6:37:00 AM

If a tent, which these fabric covered poles are, is under 900 sq ft and has an occupant load under 50 no permit is required in VA. Check the local administrative provisions as they vary considerably across the country.

With respect to snow loads the instructions on most of the say you need to keep the snow knocked off them or they will come down. Heavy duty ones are available that will meet snow loads, at a much higher price.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  NVcode_enforcement

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1/16/2009 8:22:00 AM

Looking at Chapter 31 I would define these structures as membrane-covered structures and if they are over 120sq ft and in place for more than 180 days require a permit so that we can ensure they meet the requirements of section 3102.7.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  High Desert

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1/16/2009 9:00:00 AM

In Oregon the exemption from permit is only for 1&2 family dwellings. They are not exempted for commercial use.

I would agree that Chapter 31 would apply unless a jurisdiction had some sort of exemption in their code.

I agree with Frank that requirements for these vary greatly throughout the country.

We require them to meet the provisions of Chapter 31 if in conjunction with a commercial property and have a design when they exceed the 500 sq. ft. exemption in our residential code.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  jdrobysh

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1/16/2009 9:40:00 AM

First question : Are they being used as accessory to residential buildings, regulated by the Residential Code?

If ''yes'', then you don''t get to BC Chap 31, or the Fire Code, and most likely as stated above, will be exempt from structural reqs. by the administrative section of the enabling legislation, so only Zoning provisions regarding setbacks, etc. will apply.

If ''no'', then we are talking commercial application and the relevant sections, chapters and volumes noted above will apply.

Some are designed for snow and wind loading, some are not. It is up to the applicant to provide the specifications for the structure. ''Cover-It'' is one variety we seem to be seeing alot more of... mostly going up w/out permits.

Properly installed and maintained I have seen them hold up for several years, but they definitely make me nervous. We don''t have Costco in upstate NY, so I''m less familiar with their product lines.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  NVcode_enforcement

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1/16/2009 1:13:00 PM

So what I think I hear you saying is as long as it associated with a residential use the provisions of IBC Chapter 31 or the fire code do not apply. Is this for any sq. footage? They actually make them for large RVs also.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  permitguy

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1/16/2009 1:24:00 PM

You are regulating the tent, not the house. The IRC may apply to the house, but that doesn''t mean you can erect a tent in violation of either the fire code or the building code on the same premises.

I inspect tents on residential properties all year long, for everything from weddings to company parties in the back yard of the CEO''s mansion. The last one was 15,000 square feet with a guest list of 600. :eek:


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  Bob Garner

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1/16/2009 2:25:00 PM

Did you know that you can get these structures for free? Yep. My next door neighbor had one just setting right there on his lawn. We had a windstorm and now it''s setting on my lawn. It''s upside down, though. I asked my neighbor about it and he just said, "keep it".


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  mayjong

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1/16/2009 3:00:00 PM

funny you say that, i found one in the street last January...
it was about 15''x30'' , too bad it was ripped or i would''ve kept it.


   

Re: Costco 10X20 Storage Tents By  jim baird

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1/20/2009 8:57:00 AM

the answer, my friend, is blowin'' in the wind.


   

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