November 6, 2011
Thanks UB, I'll check it out.
December 31, 1969
Until they bring this forum up to snuff; if you need answers to your question fairly soon; go here:
There you will find many knowledgeable Code Professionals; that are more than happy to help you.
I will try to help as best I can, here; hoping the ICC will provide what they promised; and the others will come back.
November 6, 2011
For my information and others who find this one burdensome and time consuming to use, what alternative forum sites are there available for us to use?
December 31, 1969
"The difficult reasons have been addressed, and we are working as quickly as possible to alleviate the issues expressed here.
Thanks for the feedback, and like I told UB, I welcome all conversations online and offline. Feel free to contact me anytime to discuss any further topics."
The difficulties that have been addressed should never have happened. After ripping the old; very useful and successful bulletin board out from under the numerous Professionals that contributed their experience, expertise, and time to helping other ICC members; as well as other professionals, like Engineers, Architects, Builders and property owners; many of us were invited to a meeting in Colorado, to help remove the miserably failed "Communities of Interest"; and replace it with a bulletin board (forum) that would serve the ICC members and include (as the old BB did) everyone, without membership requirements.
What is presented here as a forum; does not reflect what the Professionals at that meeting proposed. The ICC is not a small growing company; struggling to make ends meet. The ICC has become a mega-monoply of the model code development process. The ICC has a responsiblity to itself to provide an up-to-date, modern forum; and yet what we have now is a sloppy, homemade bulletin board; that not only is difficult to use; but, has also seemingly destroyed the old bulletin board archives.
The ICC apparently does not understand that the good people who sacrificed their time and contributed their expert knowledge of the codes, to assisting any and all who came to the ICC website; were not and are not a bunch of internet bums; but, were and are group of highly educated and knowledgeable professionals. They are ICC Certified; Master Code Professionals, Building Officials, Plans Examiners, and Inspectors; and, Professional; Engineers, Architects, and Builders; with numerous years of experience.
The ICC did not put this forum back because they wanted to "give" us something. It was brought back because the ICC knows of it value to the ICC; and the enormous mistake the ICC made in ripping the old Bulletin Board out from under us.
Thanks to a gentleman in Pennsylvania; all of us were not scattered to the four winds; but, found a new home; where we could continue to help others with code questions and problems. The drop in ICC's website visits; caused by the demise of the old BB; and the failure of "Communities of Interest" is why the ICC decided to bring back this pitiful excuse of a forum. To say "We are in the process of fixing it" is not a resonable answer for anyone who has any experience with bulletin boards (forums). It should have; at the very least; been comparable to the old bulletin board; and instead destroyed the old Bulletin Board archives, that held an enormous amount of invaluable information.
I have come here in good faith; and attempted to assist new visitors with their code questions (dang near single-handedly); and, will continue to do so; unless I am removed by the ICC.
It's been two months, and the majority of the others (they know it's here) have refused to return; and I don't blame them. It's not time to talk (on the phone or on the internet); it's time to fix this forum or watch it die the way the "Communities of Interest" died. Hire a professional to put up a modern, up-to-date forum; or watch this embarassment die. It doesn't take years, months or even weeks; and we all know it.
Kyle, we all know that you have worked hard and done what they would let you do. It's not about you and/or me; it's about the ICC; it's leadership or lack thereof.
December 31, 1969
The difficult reasons have been addressed, and we are working as quickly as possible to alleviate the issues expressed here.
Thanks for the feedback, and like I told UB, I welcome all conversations online and offline. Feel free to contact me anytime to discuss any further topics.
May 30, 2015
I don't want to get into the bashing ICC but this Forum, politely said, is difficult to deal with for the reasons pointed out.
I guess my question is, why was the previous forum truely revamped?
April 8, 2015
"Improvements are on the way, I can assure that".
Really when? It has taken a year to make the board free to all users. Will it take a year for the next single feature change? ICC already had the model to use from the old BB. Why exactly does it take so long?
December 31, 1969
Wow, UB, tell me how you really feel.
All of these issues you have pointed out, mind you, continuously, I have told we are looking into and attemtping to alleviate as quickly and as properly as possible.
Improvements are on the way, I can assure that.
I appreciate you pointing these issues out and we are working on making the Discussion Forum better every day.
The benefit of this Forum is that it is an open Discussion, where criticism and comments about most things (as long as it stays within the guidelines and no reported abuses occur.)
This Forum is open to all to read, and open to all to participate. The features you mention above are on the way, however, we now have a Forum where users/visitors to iccsafe.org can discuss the codes openly.
And users are benefitting from this new structure. Like I always welcome, if you wish you discuss further UB, my phone line is always open and available.
Thanks and have a great day.
December 31, 1969
The first post is a welcome; dated 09/06/Construction exceeding the minimum requirements1; and today is 11/07/Construction exceeding the minimum requirements1; that's two months.
Over one year ago; the ICC invited several former members of the old ICC Bulletin Board; to a meeting in Colorado, to discuss renewing the ICC bulletin board. It has been understood that the "new" forum; would be, at least as good and user friendly as the old BB.
The ICC has failed miserably:
This forum has the least number of features of any bulletin board I have seen on the web.
The number of topics is severely limited; making it hard to post or start a thread within the correct topic.
The Profiles; which are extremely helpful in the old BB; have been severely limited.
There is not a Private Messaging function; like we had in the old BB.
When attaching the "archives" from the old BB; they literally tore it apart; removing the first posts from the threads so you don't know what the topic is addressing. Much of the information is also removed; for example the number of posts by individuals in the old BB.
These are just a few of the problems with this forum. I have tried to keep up with the questions posted; especially by new members, who have joined and are looking for answers to ICC codes and standards.
Hundreds of members from the old ICC Bulletin Board; know about this new forum; and are not returning; because they have been continuously lied to; and, this new forum is the cheapest attempt at a bulletin board that I have had the displeasure of observing.
The ICC representatives have told us that because the ICC is such a large organization; it must take certain precautions when providing such a forum. That is proven wrong; by the fact that the old ICC BB did just fine for many years; before it was literally yanked out from under us.
After two months; this forum is proving to be a failure. It has failed the ICC, the numerous former members, and the professionals who come here in hopes of finding fellow professionals to dicuss the codes and ask code questions.
All we have received is more empty promises of improvements; "next year"!
When you close this sorry attempt, as you did the last one; at least; if you haven't totally destroyed it; replace the old BB Archives in a seperate location on the website. They were an invaluable asset.
A very disappoined,
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