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Fall Protection For In-ground Pool
July 4, 2018
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thoughty1955@dayrep.com
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Whether you are protecting your swimmers. Isolation fencing separates swimming pools or spas from the residence.

The squares are small sufficient that swimmers can not fall through however too big to walk or stand on.

January 23, 2014
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Great pic.

If there is no prevailing code for that situation, then maybe we need one.  Or - maybe we need an exception.

What if some kid decides it would be cool to sit on the ledge?  The issue is worth discussion, IMHO.

January 15, 2014
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January 6, 2014
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Hello!

I saw that you were talking about a safety- related subject and the ISPSC. If you have any thoughts about how the ISPSC could be clarified/improved, you can submit code change proposals to change the 2018 ISPSC.

Go to "cdpAccess" on the ICC website for how to submit proposals.

The deadline for submission of proposals for this code is the beginning of Jan 2016.

December 25, 2013
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Well I too got some important guidelines here.I am also facing similar problem but the oly difference is that I have two vanishing edge pools.With these steps I will try to fix the problem of my pool.

December 18, 2013
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Attachment is a negative edge pool without [Image Can Not Be Found](apparently). prevention from falling over the negative edge.

 

With respect to the "do not sit or walk" letting on the coping....I can see that for a fancy pool (like this), maybe the owners would not want a marking like that .....

How far should we go to protect the stupid?

Yes, I know this photo is from Indonesia but many pools like this are built in the USA.

 

December 16, 2013
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Thanks again for your response.  I like your idea of labeling the coping to warn swimmers of the potential hazard.  If anyone else has thoughts on this, please feel free to weigh in. 

December 16, 2013
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Your response allowed me to better understand your situation.

I too have seen those pictures in advertisements showing pools for a penthouse that have the negative edge of a pool alongside and inline with the side of a building. I've wondered about someone pulling himself up on top of the negative edge and just falling off the side of the building. Putting a guard along the negative edge would certainly destroy the effect! Perhaps what we don't see below those applications is a net...

But in your situation, a net would not be pretty.

At some point, the designer just can't fix stupid. For example, if you put up a handrail in any location (not thinking about a pool) to keep people from falling off an upper level, then somebody decides to hike their butt up on top of the handrail....and then they fall off. How far do you go to protect someone like that?

If someone cannot walk onto that 1 foot wide "spillway" from adjacent decking (either by design or blocking by guard), about the best you can do is have the top of the spillway boldly lettered (multiple times, along with some foreign language?) with "DO NOT STAND OR SIT HERE". Short of putting "bird spiking" to really stop people from doing what you don't want them to do, I can't think of anything else you can do.

December 15, 2013
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Thank you for the response Harry.  I understand what you are saying and agree with your interpretation.  The part I am unclear on is, if there is no access to walk on the upper deck from the patio, do I still need the rail?  There would be a 1' wide coping separating the two pools but that would be it.  So you couldn't walk to this area from the adjacent patio.  If you were swimming you could potentially pull yourself up out of the water though and stand on the coping.

I have seen a lot of photos of negative edge pools that have a similar situation and they appear to be higher than 30" but not sure if these comply with the IRC.

December 13, 2013
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It seems to me that this really isn't a question about pools, but a question about an abrupt change of elevation between decks. I guess if the levation difference was 30 inches or greater (or however the IRC states it), then yes, you would need a handrail to prevent people from falling onto the deck below.

Even if the lower elevation was a pool, I would still think that you should have a handrail there just so there isn't the surprise of walking off and falling into water, especially shallow water. If the waterin the lower pool is considered deep, maybe you could consider the upper elevation as a diving platform BUT that's only if the diving envelope of the pool below meets the ISPSC diving envelope requirement.

Tought question to answer without seeing some design sketches about what you are trying to do.  

November 27, 2013
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I have a somewhat unique situation and can't find the answer in the ISPSC.  I have an in-ground pool with a negative edge that spills into another in-ground pool.  The site is a private residence.  I know that I need a 48" barrier around the site to prevent access to the pool from the adjacent lots.  It is my understanding that within the IRC you are required to provide fall protection (ie: 36" high hand rail) for a grade differential of more than 30".