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Change of occupancy
June 8, 2005
10:51 am
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I see more apartments burn than hotel/ motels

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June 8, 2005
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It is a change of occupancy. What code was it originally built under? and how long was it occupied as a boarding house? My experience has been that if sprinklering becomes necessary, sometimes the project is abandoned altogether, and becomes a nuisance in a couple of years. Better questions to ask might be.. is it essentially more hazardous as an R-2 than it was originally as R-1? and Do we need a hulking eyesore that is going to be prohibitively expensive to retrofit? I think Paul is on the right track.

June 8, 2005
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2000 IBC 3405.1 says "... Subject to the approval of the building official, the use or occupancy of existing buildings shall be permitted to be changed and the building is allowed to be occupied for purposes in other groups without conforming to all the requirements of this code for those groups, provided the new or proposed use is less hazardous, based on life and fire risk, than the existing use."

Apartments are a lesser hazard than a transient boarding house.

June 8, 2005
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sounds like you have a good case besides change of occupancy, the building being closed for a year.
we added a local admendment to read that sprinkler system is required: on change of use, vacant over six months, damage/ remodel over 51% of value of building,51% remodel of building floor area, or expansion is over sq footage for a sprinkler system. we currently sprinkle anything over 6000 sq feet.

June 8, 2005
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cda:
[b]you can require the sprinkler system also.

so it is an apartment now and what is the use they want to change it to????[/b][/QUOTE]

It is now apartments, after being a transient boarding house.

June 7, 2005
3:46 pm
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you can require the sprinkler system also.

so it is an apartment now and what is the use they want to change it to????

June 7, 2005
2:47 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cda:
[b]so has anyone researched what exactly is needed if the change is used???? if so what are the changes needed?????[/b][/QUOTE]

Now it is apartments, sprinkler is required under ''03 IBC.

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June 7, 2005
2:27 pm
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so has anyone researched what exactly is needed if the change is used???? if so what are the changes needed?????

June 7, 2005
1:26 pm
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That''s my answer also, Fire Marshal said no, so I told him I''d throw it out for public opinion.

June 7, 2005
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Yes its a change in the occupancy
2003 IBC Section 3406.1

June 7, 2005
1:04 pm
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Sounds like a change in use to me, and occupancy. Either can kick in requirements. Transient to non-transient. Transient requirements can be more strict than non-transient, though a lot would also depend on how long ago the R-1 was originally constructed over present day code requirement.

Long answer above.

Simple answer is yes.